
by Thoughtful
OT II doesn't get talked about that much, so I thought I'd give a little briefing on it. Actually this was sparked off by a request on the "It CAN be done" thread. I was the Solo I/C at FSO for about three years so I have a few stories.
Well, I'll first say that New OT I (which was released in early 1985) made a big improvement in the way cases ran on OT II. Cases that ran the original OT I would normally run into trouble and need review auditing mid OT II. But those who did New OT I just went through OT II very smoothly without any hiccups or review auditing. So I definitely recommend New OT I. It seems like most people who did New OT I audited a couple of weeks on OT II after they completed the theory. Some of course could go longer. Nobody audited through all the materials of OT II to the very end. I'm not a C/S, but they'd normally get what I understood to be the EP after probably about two or three weeks. I'm guessing a bit, but that's what I recall.
We did get one case sent in from one of the AOs who had been on OT II for a year. We thought that was incredible and were shocked to hear it. I did a debug of her auditing as the Solo Consultant and found she was doing the procedure incorrectly — that's what made it take so long. She finished pretty quickly after that plus some review auditing.
As I recall, of the people who did the original OT I, a big problem was a tendency to overrun OT II.
The Solo I/C at Flag was really a Tech Sec over three departments, 10, 11 and 12 — i.e., Tech Services, Training, and the Solo HGC. I held the posts of Solo Director of Processing and Solo Consultant from above which is normal for Flag. Hence it was my job to debug auditors and watch them like a hawk to catch any BIs — sinffles, a slight cough, etc. — and pull them right into an metered interview.
In the interview, I'd find out when the sinffles started and what happened before, watching / steering by reads. And once we found what it was, I'd indicate the BPC (by passed charge). For example, if they said, "I think maybe I bypassed a win" LFBD. I'd say, "I'd like to indicate you DID bypass a win." Where upon the TA would blow down more and FN coupled with Very Good Indicators on the pre-OT.
The most common bug was a bypassed win, and this procedure would normally rehab it. It was fun to do. It is important on the OT levels to take time to "have your win." At Flag sometimes people are pressed for time, worried they have to return to work soon, etc., so they would be more inclined to push on over a win whereupon they'd get into trouble. Today, in the Independent field, there would be no such worry about having to get through as fast as possible. So perhaps bypassing wins will not be such a problem.
The C/S would of course also send Solo auditors to me who had BIs show up in session. And the same pattern generally is what we did.
If I couldn't rehab whatever it was in the interview, the pre-OT would have to go in for a review session with an auditor. But normally I could find the bug.
Once pre-OT on OT II was sent to me to "find out what happened in session." She was a bit BIs and her needle had packed up. I was following the usual routine finding when the condition started and getting her to look at "what happened just before that?" At one point I was looking downward at the meter when out of my peripheral vision I saw a blinding light right where her head was — obviously I'm talking the overlay of a theta perception. And I thought to myself, "Good lord, what the f**k is that?" I'd never seen anything like that before. And I felt the heat, too! It was like a sun lamp.
It was the same kind of white light as from welding but it looked like a ball of intense white fire about the size of a marble and lasted about 2 seconds and it was really emanating.
I didn't react of course because auditors are trained not to react to things that happen in session. But when I looked up, her face was bright, BRIGHT red, and she was grinning from ear to ear and obviously shocked and could hardly talk. She said, "DID YOU SEE THAT!?!" Where upon I said, "I sure the fuck did!" And we both had a huge laugh. She was shocked, exhilarated, super-keyed-out happy, all at the same time because she had realized she was done with OT II and had overrun the level. I would normally indicate the bypassed charge. What showed on her face was a "WTF" moment with a thousand exclamation points after it. She could hardly talk, her eyes were wide with happy tears running down her face and mouth open and then we both were line-charging with laughter.
What I thought was a blush on her part however turned out to be something else. I said, "All your skin is red!" she said, "You're all red too!" and darned if it wasn't. I pressed my finger into my arm and it left a bright white circle — like normal sunburn. And we laughed some more. My arms and face were red for an hour and a half. Her skin stayed redish the rest of the day.
As it turned out she had overrun OT II and then gone a bit BIs (bad indicators - indicators in the pc that show something is wrong). We located the point where it started, then when I asked what happened just before that, she located the point where she had gone release (and subsequently overrun the level) and the charge that had built up from the overrun caught fire and burned off all at once, which is rare but it can happen.
The reason I know is I did some research on this and found that LRH does talk about that happening now and then when he was researching into making OTs in the early 1950s. Facsimiles can ignite and burn off releasing radiation. It's in the Philadelphia Doctorate Course lectures.
Anyway, when was the last time you were talking to someone and they thought of something and as a result you got sunburned? Lol.
Any source of charge powerful enough to do that (and more) is something you ought to get rid of.
I've got MANY stories like this which is why the uninformed and the ignorant can natter and jabber and invalidate the OT levels all they want, they will never shake my certainty that this tech works and it's powerful. There is an immense amount of charge that New OT I, OT II and OT III neatly deals with. LRH said the NOTs rundowns handle the "living lightning" but guess what?
As this story so brightly illuminates, so does OT II.
OT II is what enables a person to run OT III. Without that level done fully it is generally NOT POSSIBLE to run OT III. I'm not going to go into any confidential details here, but OT II does something to the case that enables OT III to work. Another reason why people who haven't done any of the OT levels stupidly poo-poo OT III — well, of course it's unreal to them.
OT II is a hell of a level, fun to run and very exciting wins with huge case gain. If you haven't done your OT levels yet, now is the time to start moving up. You need to be well trained and you need to have done each of your lower levels fully. Then you are ready to rock and roll.
Thoughtful
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One of the things that I love about the OT levels is that I am in charge of my case! That is the way Ron meant it to be and that is the way it was before numnuts showed up on the scene.Aren't we supposed to be more in charge as we go up?
I cannot say enough about NOTs-what a gift Ron has given us. I can't get into confidential stuff, but I have since found out from others that they were told how to run NOTs in the Dm regime so it didn't parellel their case and would create overruns etc. I mean I go in with my "x-mas wish list" and handle what I want to handle and boy! does it handle! I am always "in session" as I am always interested in my own case.
I have Pre-OTs here at the AOIS (Advance org of Ingrid Smith) having great wins! it is so much fun delivering these OT levels!
Then my new friend Jim Logan parachutes in and puts the dream back into my grasp. Pretty soon I'll be on Solo too and getting the wins you are getting.
Pretty amazing.
Could a women possible be more cute than that?
And to AOIS, cob aka numnuts.....I had to laugh!!!
Did you use to make drawings to validate your public?
I put it in as a promotional action — anyone who solo audited 8 hours in a day was rewarded with a sketch. But I really did it to popularize the idea of doing Solo-OT III at Flag. It was a silly thing, very simple, but here we are 29 years later and people still remember it with some fondness.
Lots of people told me they made up their mind to do their OT levels at Flag because they wanted one of those drawings, lol, which was the exact intention.
I always believed that moving up the Bridge and going free ought to be the most FUN thing in the world and if it isn't fun, something was wrong.
Meanwhile, I concur, II is FIREWORKS when flying solo!
ML Tom
I mean anyone can sit there and hold the meter cans for a million years and not see those kind of reads that appear when you audit THE EXACT PRECISE CHARGE LINE BY LINE.
Is it real? Do we believe it? No one has to "believe" anything. They just have to audit standardly (or it doesn't work). As for "Is it real?" well, the question is irrelevant. The fact that it works and releases tremendous charge and tremendous ability is what's important.
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"In people who have done it this way I could watch them detaching from the mechanism of having to be on one side of a game. They could step back and could look freely and exerted the freedom to choose a position and furthermore demonstrated an enormous ability to hold that position thereafter.
It handles the mechanism many Clears complained about that they put out an intention or made a decision and some resistance would build up soon or that it would seem to flip in the opposite direction. Corresponding, the 1970 Grade Chart marked as ability gained for OT II: “The ability to project intention.”
I don’t feel bad nor good when I but my attention on this but I am curious as to the idea of going back and redoing this area (including OT 1) in the Independent field. Do you concur with what Ralph Hilton stated that there is nothing prohibiting a PC from returning and redoing these levels?
Having written this I realize I am discussing my case but still I would love an answer if possible.
I have often wondered why I don’t see a lot of OT’s around-Quickie OT levels don’t allow any to actually be made-heartbreaking.
I have to say at this point I am wondering what a clean 10 year run of the Bridge as LRH intended and particularly the OT Levels might do for this planet and Scientology’s reputation.
Imagine no quickie grades, allowing the PC to have his wins, correctly calling F/N’s, Ethics used to help rather than control or punish, attention to people rather than stats, OT levels where you don’t return home broke or ill, willing to take calls in the evening because you know it’s your Reg. and friend down at the Org who is looking out for you and you know it.
In the background of my mind the song “Imagine” by John Lennon is playing………Imagine theta too.
Sincerely,
Jim
2.) If there are difficulties, omitted earlier steps are one area a C/S would look into.
3.) Questions about the material or the EP stated therein are best handled by reading there. Apply the Verbal Tech Checklist if you have been given diverging data. The theory-section would be safe to look into when you did OT II before. Before you go into the platens get some C/S advice. (If you have gone into them, make sure you handled any charge that may have come up.)
4.) The function of OT II with regard to OT III is explained in the lecture "What Standard Tech does" (25 Sept. 1968, Class VIII Course). That is possibly helpful to answer your question.
Ran OT II to EP before OT III and then again after as still more became available to run then. The wins were just as fabulous as the first time around.
ML Tom
Now that's an interesting comment to those of us who are Clear, but have not had our grades. When I first asked about it many years ago, I was told (by org tech terminals) that the grades weren't a prerequisite for doing the OT levels, if one was already confirmed Clear. I believe I was shown a reference to that effect at the time, but I could be wrong about that.
Currently, my intention is to do the Solo course, then get onto auditing the OT levels. Per my Independent Solo course checksheet (compiled by Dan Koon), the prerequisites are:
The Student Hat
A Professional TRs course
HQS or any trained Auditor certificate (Level 0-IV)
Has gone Clear and is verified by CCRD or
Has completed Expanded Grades and NED auditing without having gone Clear.
I haven't checked, but I trust Dan on this implicitly, and feel that he's faithfully followed LRH's prescriptions in that compilation.
I am Clear and have not done my Grades. I completed OT 2 to full EP and also OT 3 in the last year or so, and had absolutely incredible gains. I was able to run OT 3 and it blew my socks off. I thought it was the best auditing I had ever done -- until I hit NOTs, and now I am in awe.
Dan Koon has it right. If you are Clear as verified by CCRD then you need to move on up.
There have been many arbitraries on this line over the years. In fact, in the mid 90s when I had completed all the requirements to get onto my OT Levels and had finished SOLO 1, I was told that I could not progress until I had done all my Grades first. This was cancelled a short while later, but that brief window for me had closed and I was already onto another post and required more hatting, etc. Then Miscavige started the practice of cancelling people's Clear status.
My advice is this:
1. Get a good and trusted C/S (there are several we can refer you to).
2. Get onto and through the training requirements including SOLO Course.
3. With a trusted auditor, the C/S will get you through any needed OT Preps - which can include cleaning up past auditing, handling any BPC, checking on your Clear status, etc.
4. Once done (and this is not necessarily a long step), you are onto your OT levels and the best ride of your life.
Go for it Ronnie. You keep your eye on that mountain and keep pushing towards it. It IS achievable and when you get to the summit you will thank yourself for having pushed your way on and up.
Each case has to be taken by a C/S and handled for where THAT case is at. That does not mean that we miss out on steps of the Bridge -- as OT 4 will pick up things as needed.
And this includes the Training Route -- which is one whole side of the Bridge, and is absolutely vital to one's attainment of Full OT.
I concur. That is on original OT-4.
Kind of makes sense with the non-interference zone going from Power through OT-3. (Clear is in there.)
Well the good news is that I was able to successfully run OT 3 directly after OT 2. Some years later I got onto and though OT 4 as well and won big on that.
Your points about roaming and proper C/S ing are taken. Additionally, the whole premature death thing doesn’t really have a lot of appeal at this point-I am sure you understand!
I actually saw this in a Book I session once. Not nearly to this extent. It was more like a really charged static electricity flash you'd get from rubbing your feet on the carpet and touching the edge of a file cabinet. My PC was in reverie with her eyes closed and off to my left (her right) and slightly above her sight line was a bright white flash. I thought I was seeing things until my PC says, "That's funny, I just saw a white flash right about here", and pointed to the position in space. I could hardly keep my TRs in. That was pretty cool.
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