by Thoughtful

OT II doesn't get talked about that much, so I thought I'd give a little briefing on it. Actually this was sparked off by a request on the "It CAN be done" thread. I was the Solo I/C at FSO for about three years so I have a few stories.

Well, I'll first say that New OT I (which was released in early 1985) made a big improvement in the way cases ran on OT II. Cases that ran the original OT I would normally run into trouble and need review auditing mid OT II. But those who did New OT I just went through OT II very smoothly without any hiccups or review auditing. So I definitely recommend New OT I. It seems like most people who did New OT I audited a couple of weeks on OT II after they completed the theory. Some of course could go longer. Nobody audited through all the materials of OT II to the very end. I'm not a C/S, but they'd normally get what I understood to be the EP after probably about two or three weeks. I'm guessing a bit, but that's what I recall.

We did get one case sent in from one of the AOs who had been on OT II for a year. We thought that was incredible and were shocked to hear it. I did a debug of her auditing as the Solo Consultant and found she was doing the procedure incorrectly — that's what made it take so long. She finished pretty quickly after that plus some review auditing.

As I recall, of the people who did the original OT I, a big problem was a tendency to overrun OT II.

The Solo I/C at Flag was really a Tech Sec over three departments, 10, 11 and 12 — i.e., Tech Services, Training, and the Solo HGC. I held the posts of Solo Director of Processing and Solo Consultant from above which is normal for Flag. Hence it was my job to debug auditors and watch them like a hawk to catch any BIs — sinffles, a slight cough, etc. — and pull them right into an metered interview.

In the interview, I'd find out when the sinffles started and what happened before, watching / steering by reads. And once we found what it was, I'd indicate the BPC (by passed charge). For example, if they said, "I think maybe I bypassed a win" LFBD. I'd say, "I'd like to indicate you DID bypass a win." Where upon the TA would blow down more and FN coupled with Very Good Indicators on the pre-OT.

The most common bug was a bypassed win, and this procedure would normally rehab it. It was fun to do. It is important on the OT levels to take time to "have your win." At Flag sometimes people are pressed for time, worried they have to return to work soon, etc., so they would be more inclined to push on over a win whereupon they'd get into trouble. Today, in the Independent field, there would be no such worry about having to get through as fast as possible. So perhaps bypassing wins will not be such a problem.

The C/S would of course also send Solo auditors to me who had BIs show up in session. And the same pattern generally is what we did.

If I couldn't rehab whatever it was in the interview, the pre-OT would have to go in for a review session with an auditor. But normally I could find the bug.


Once pre-OT on OT II was sent to me to "find out what happened in session." She was a bit BIs and her needle had packed up. I was following the usual routine finding when the condition started and getting her to look at "what happened just before that?"  At one point I was looking downward at the meter when out of my peripheral vision I saw a blinding light right where her head was — obviously I'm talking the overlay of a theta perception. And I thought to myself, "Good lord, what the f**k is that?" I'd never seen anything like that before. And I felt the heat, too! It was like a sun lamp.

It was the same kind of white light as from welding but it looked like a ball of intense white fire about the size of a marble and lasted about 2 seconds and it was really emanating.

I didn't react of course because auditors are trained not to react to things that happen in session. But when I looked up, her face was bright, BRIGHT red, and she was grinning from ear to ear and obviously shocked and could hardly talk. She said, "DID YOU SEE THAT!?!" Where upon I said, "I sure the fuck did!" And we both had a huge laugh. She was shocked, exhilarated, super-keyed-out happy, all at the same time because she had realized she was done with OT II and had overrun the level. I would normally indicate the bypassed charge. What showed on her face was a "WTF" moment with a thousand exclamation points after it. She could hardly talk, her eyes were wide with happy tears running down her face and mouth open and then we both were line-charging with laughter.

What I thought was a blush on her part however turned out to be something else. I said, "All your skin is red!" she said, "You're all red too!" and darned if it wasn't. I pressed my finger into my arm and it left a bright white circle — like normal sunburn. And we laughed some more. My arms and face were red for an hour and a half. Her skin stayed redish the rest of the day.

As it turned out she had overrun OT II and then gone a bit BIs (bad indicators - indicators in the pc that show something is wrong). We located the point where it started, then when I asked what happened just before that, she located the point where she had gone release (and subsequently overrun the level) and the charge that had built up from the overrun caught fire and burned off all at once, which is rare but it can happen.

The reason I know is I did some research on this and found that LRH does talk about that happening now and then when he was researching into making OTs in the early 1950s. Facsimiles can ignite and burn off releasing radiation. It's in the Philadelphia Doctorate Course lectures.

Anyway, when was the last time you were talking to someone and they thought of something and as a result you got sunburned? Lol.

Any source of charge powerful enough to do that (and more) is something you ought to get rid of.

I've got MANY stories like this which is why the uninformed and the ignorant can natter and jabber and invalidate the OT levels all they want, they will never shake my certainty that this tech works and it's powerful. There is an immense amount of charge that New OT I, OT II and OT III neatly deals with. LRH said the NOTs rundowns handle the "living lightning" but guess what?
As this story so brightly illuminates, so does OT II.

OT II is what enables a person to run OT III. Without that level done fully it is generally NOT POSSIBLE to run OT III. I'm not going to go into any confidential details here, but OT II does something to the case that enables OT III to work. Another reason why people who haven't done any of the OT levels stupidly poo-poo OT III — well, of course it's unreal to them.

OT II is a hell of a level, fun to run and very exciting wins with huge case gain. If you haven't done your OT levels yet, now is the time to start moving up. You need to be well trained and you need to have done each of your lower levels fully. Then you are ready to rock and roll.



Ingrid Smith
+3 # Ingrid Smith 2013-04-16 18:47
Anyone who poohs poohs OT111 needs to read my success story on the time I almost died! It saved my life!!!

One of the things that I love about the OT levels is that I am in charge of my case! That is the way Ron meant it to be and that is the way it was before numnuts showed up on the scene.Aren't we supposed to be more in charge as we go up?

I cannot say enough about NOTs-what a gift Ron has given us. I can't get into confidential stuff, but I have since found out from others that they were told how to run NOTs in the Dm regime so it didn't parellel their case and would create overruns etc. I mean I go in with my "x-mas wish list" and handle what I want to handle and boy! does it handle! I am always "in session" as I am always interested in my own case.

I have Pre-OTs here at the AOIS (Advance org of Ingrid Smith) having great wins! it is so much fun delivering these OT levels!
+1 # steve 2013-04-17 06:31
Ingrid, I'm with you. The potential of NOTs just blows me away. The Church gave me OT 5 and then put me back to NED and then put me back to Objectives and were talking about putting me back onto the Purif. I felt like I was on a raft floating out to sea with life fading away in the distance.

Then my new friend Jim Logan parachutes in and puts the dream back into my grasp. Pretty soon I'll be on Solo too and getting the wins you are getting.
Pretty amazing.
Doug Cook
# Doug Cook 2013-12-24 05:27
Ingrid/Steve, this has been a great read. Thanks! I am currently on Solo I and am looking forward to the next several months for sure...in no small measure to what I have read here. Ingrid, I would really like to read your OT III success story. Where can I find it? Thanks, Doug
+1 # KFrancis 2013-04-16 19:40
AOIS " Advanced Org.of Ingrid Smith"

Could a women possible be more cute than that?
# george 2013-04-16 22:04
thanks for the writeup thoughtful, I really like to hear what went on behind the scenes.

And to AOIS, cob aka numnuts.....I had to laugh!!!
Chris Mann
# Chris Mann 2013-04-16 23:41
Cool story. I have seen energy similar to that. These theta perceptions are real- as real as body perceptions. Scientology is the only group where I have experienced immediate confirmation from another being of "supernatural" events like this. ("DID YOU SEE THAT!?!").
# Q 2013-04-17 03:53
Did you use to make drawings to validate your public?
# Thoughtful 2013-04-17 08:56
That was me. Actually I still have about 30 or 40 of those drawings.

I put it in as a promotional action — anyone who solo audited 8 hours in a day was rewarded with a sketch. But I really did it to popularize the idea of doing Solo-OT III at Flag. It was a silly thing, very simple, but here we are 29 years later and people still remember it with some fondness.

Lots of people told me they made up their mind to do their OT levels at Flag because they wanted one of those drawings, lol, which was the exact intention.

I always believed that moving up the Bridge and going free ought to be the most FUN thing in the world and if it isn't fun, something was wrong.
# SKM 2013-04-17 15:08
That is cool. :-)
# Q 2013-04-17 09:07
Well then, thanks Steve, I still have mine :-)
# Thoughtful 2013-04-17 09:38
That's amazing! How cool. Send me a private email if you want to get back in touch. thoughtful at hushmail dot com or just go to the Contact Us in the nav bar above. If you are still under the radar, that is cool too. I hope this website has helped.
# Q 2013-04-18 04:26
I might take you up on that.
Meanwhile, I concur, II is FIREWORKS when flying solo!
Tom M
+4 # Tom M 2013-04-17 20:08
Serious Steve, when I did OT II I was alrerady a staff member for around 8 years. I was "died in the wool" so to speak. But when I did OT II theory I thought to myself that the old man was really off of his rocker. Serious. But I did that "faith" thing and went on. I went into session and sure enough, nothing happened. Then I remembered that I was supposed to do this one thing while doing the commands and so I started to do that and all of a sudden I got a rocket read. Then another, then another and then the next thing I knew my universe exploded and the meter went nuts. It was like a violent thunderstorm and it went away as fast as it came on. I sat there looking at the meter and I had a Persistent F/N. Then I looked at the TA Counter and I had gotten 24 divisions in less than ten minutes! Incredible. The next several sessions were much the same. I was actually getting rid of charge on the wholetrack wholesale. prior to this charge was gotten off retail. Mom and pop retail. This was wholesale - Amazon.com wholesale. It was terrific. I loved that level. It really got rid of charge by the tons. When I was done I was really, really clean.
ML Tom
+5 # Thoughtful 2013-04-17 21:54
Wow, Tom, this story of yours is a 10! Wow! I also remember those amazing reads. OT II signifies the first time you see the meter reading on stuff that's not "you." It's eerie and spooky as hell, in a strong shock-and-awe kind of way. Definitely a "HOLY SHIT!" moment in eternity, winding back the dwindling spiral.

I mean anyone can sit there and hold the meter cans for a million years and not see those kind of reads that appear when you audit THE EXACT PRECISE CHARGE LINE BY LINE.

Is it real? Do we believe it? No one has to "believe" anything. They just have to audit standardly (or it doesn't work). As for "Is it real?" well, the question is irrelevant. The fact that it works and releases tremendous charge and tremendous ability is what's important.
# Worsel 2013-04-17 23:44
I had similar Tone Arm Action when I picked the level up again after NOTs not in all sessions, but in some. The material is absolutely fantastic.
+1 # Worsel 2013-04-17 23:53
From my review at

"In people who have done it this way I could watch them detaching from the mechanism of having to be on one side of a game. They could step back and could look freely and exerted the freedom to choose a position and furthermore demonstrated an enormous ability to hold that position thereafter.
It handles the mechanism many Clears complained about that they put out an intention or made a decision and some resistance would build up soon or that it would seem to flip in the opposite direction. Corresponding, the 1970 Grade Chart marked as ability gained for OT II: “The ability to project intention.”
Jim Logan
# Jim Logan 2013-04-18 17:15
Yep, yep, yep.
# KFrancis 2013-04-18 08:30
Steve and Tom over the last few days I have read this article several times as well as the success story as given by B.E. some days ago now. I was stunned to read that she/he has been on OT 2 for more than a year and that it was a long level. Combining all this data I could only conclude that I did not do OT 2 as LRH had intended. I did OT2 at AOLA around 1991. I was probably on it for about 6 to 10 sessions and was then on to OT 3.

I don’t feel bad nor good when I but my attention on this but I am curious as to the idea of going back and redoing this area (including OT 1) in the Independent field. Do you concur with what Ralph Hilton stated that there is nothing prohibiting a PC from returning and redoing these levels?

Having written this I realize I am discussing my case but still I would love an answer if possible.

I have often wondered why I don’t see a lot of OT’s around-Quickie OT levels don’t allow any to actually be made-heartbreaking.
# Thoughtful 2013-04-18 11:29
Hi, I'm not a C/S so I don't know the answer to that question. I do remember seeing LRH say to do it all, but am not sure where the datum came from that the EP can come earlier. If it turns out to be out tech, of course one could go back (I think) and properly complete the level. What I don't know is if there was a later development that superseded the original materials.
+2 # KFrancis 2013-04-18 14:42
Thanks Steve for taking this up.

I have to say at this point I am wondering what a clean 10 year run of the Bridge as LRH intended and particularly the OT Levels might do for this planet and Scientology’s reputation.

Imagine no quickie grades, allowing the PC to have his wins, correctly calling F/N’s, Ethics used to help rather than control or punish, attention to people rather than stats, OT levels where you don’t return home broke or ill, willing to take calls in the evening because you know it’s your Reg. and friend down at the Org who is looking out for you and you know it.

In the background of my mind the song “Imagine” by John Lennon is playing………Imagine theta too.
Jim Logan
# Jim Logan 2013-04-18 17:31
Get a hold of me. There are references on how to deal with what you are describing.

+1 # Worsel 2013-04-18 16:47
1.) I would not suggest to repair a case that is running well and progressing.
2.) If there are difficulties, omitted earlier steps are one area a C/S would look into.
3.) Questions about the material or the EP stated therein are best handled by reading there. Apply the Verbal Tech Checklist if you have been given diverging data. The theory-section would be safe to look into when you did OT II before. Before you go into the platens get some C/S advice. (If you have gone into them, make sure you handled any charge that may have come up.)
4.) The function of OT II with regard to OT III is explained in the lecture "What Standard Tech does" (25 Sept. 1968, Class VIII Course). That is possibly helpful to answer your question.
# Formost 2013-06-21 06:50
Quoting KFrancis:
Do you concur with what Ralph Hilton stated that there is nothing prohibiting a PC from returning and redoing these levels?

Ran OT II to EP before OT III and then again after as still more became available to run then. The wins were just as fabulous as the first time around.
Ralph Hilton
# Ralph Hilton 2013-04-18 14:23
I don't know of any LRH reference that shortens OT2. A reference on returning to earlier levels and completing them is C/S series 4.
Ingrid Smith
# Ingrid Smith 2013-04-18 14:31
I just have to say that one needs to work with a reliable C/S and the actual HCOBs to answer some of the questions on OTll, otherwise it goes into VD. I have a great C/S that I work with. There is an EP of OTll and shouln't, as any action, be overrun.
Tom M
# Tom M 2013-04-18 15:11
K Francis - anything that you do on the bridge should be C/Sed by a competent C/S and auditor. Do not think that you can just roam all over the grade chart at will. The last person I knew that did this died of cancer (did Power after OT III). And no one is saying that there is anything wrong with your OT II. If you feel you reached the EP of it then leave it alkone. the true test is if you did good on OT III and that's as far as I'm going to go without a proper interview on a meter.
ML Tom
# Thoughtful 2013-04-18 15:32
I definitely observed that people who had not properly run their lower levels were not able to run OT III.
Ronnie Bell
# Ronnie Bell 2013-04-18 18:23
Quoting Thoughtful:
I definitely observed that people who had not properly run their lower levels were not able to run OT III.

Now that's an interesting comment to those of us who are Clear, but have not had our grades. When I first asked about it many years ago, I was told (by org tech terminals) that the grades weren't a prerequisite for doing the OT levels, if one was already confirmed Clear. I believe I was shown a reference to that effect at the time, but I could be wrong about that.

Currently, my intention is to do the Solo course, then get onto auditing the OT levels. Per my Independent Solo course checksheet (compiled by Dan Koon), the prerequisites are:

The Student Hat
A Professional TRs course
HQS or any trained Auditor certificate (Level 0-IV)
Has gone Clear and is verified by CCRD or
Has completed Expanded Grades and NED auditing without having gone Clear.

I haven't checked, but I trust Dan on this implicitly, and feel that he's faithfully followed LRH's prescriptions in that compilation.
Lana M
+1 # Lana M 2013-04-18 18:53
I am Clear and have not done my Grades. I completed OT 2 to full EP and also OT 3 in the last year or so, and had absolutely incredible gains. I was able to run OT 3 and it blew my socks off. I thought it was the best auditing I had ever done -- until I hit NOTs, and now I am in awe.
Dan Koon has it right. If you are Clear as verified by CCRD then you need to move on up.
There have been many arbitraries on this line over the years. In fact, in the mid 90s when I had completed all the requirements to get onto my OT Levels and had finished SOLO 1, I was told that I could not progress until I had done all my Grades first. This was cancelled a short while later, but that brief window for me had closed and I was already onto another post and required more hatting, etc. Then Miscavige started the practice of cancelling people's Clear status.
My advice is this:
1. Get a good and trusted C/S (there are several we can refer you to).
2. Get onto and through the training requirements including SOLO Course.
3. With a trusted auditor, the C/S will get you through any needed OT Preps - which can include cleaning up past auditing, handling any BPC, checking on your Clear status, etc.
4. Once done (and this is not necessarily a long step), you are onto your OT levels and the best ride of your life.
Go for it Ronnie. You keep your eye on that mountain and keep pushing towards it. It IS achievable and when you get to the summit you will thank yourself for having pushed your way on and up.
Ronnie Bell
# Ronnie Bell 2013-04-18 21:44
Thank you for the encouragement and the R factor, Lana. All of that indicates to me, and I very much look forward to experiencing similar gains to yours on the OT levels. I read your success stories, and they rock!
Lana M
+1 # Lana M 2013-04-18 22:30
And as a last word Ronnie, the original LRH OT 4 (not the current OT Drug Rundown that is done as OT 4 - which was originally OT3 Expanded and is now called OT 4), includes going back and making sure that each step of the Bridge has been completed in full. That means that you can go back and get those Grades - which I would really like to do, as they are powerful as hell.

Each case has to be taken by a C/S and handled for where THAT case is at. That does not mean that we miss out on steps of the Bridge -- as OT 4 will pick up things as needed.

And this includes the Training Route -- which is one whole side of the Bridge, and is absolutely vital to one's attainment of Full OT.
# 1984 2013-04-28 22:10
Hi Lana,
I concur. That is on original OT-4.
Kind of makes sense with the non-interference zone going from Power through OT-3. (Clear is in there.)
+1 # Thoughtful 2013-04-18 18:53
Hi Ronnie, I was really talking about OT II and maybe OT I. I didn't mean the Lower Grades, I meant the previous OT levels.
Ronnie Bell
+1 # Ronnie Bell 2013-04-18 21:45
Got it, Steve. Thanks for the clarification. Glad I communicated anyway. Lana gave me a wonderful R factor.
# KFrancis 2013-04-18 15:47
Hello Tom and thanks.

Well the good news is that I was able to successfully run OT 3 directly after OT 2. Some years later I got onto and though OT 4 as well and won big on that.

Your points about roaming and proper C/S ing are taken. Additionally, the whole premature death thing doesn’t really have a lot of appeal at this point-I am sure you understand!
# Worsel 2013-04-18 16:59
Since the cycle of action applies to running a case one should not just jump about on the Grade Chart. There are very valid reasons for not doing Power-Processes after Clear. Aside from the strict rule to not run a Clear on Power, R6EW or the Clearing Course. (HCOB 24 Sept 78RC-III, Dianetic Clear), if one looked at the processes (and maybe even listened to the lectures by John McMaster about them) and evaluated them with the understanding given in the NOTs materials, one can understand the reason why that would be a no-go above Clear. Getting cancer may or may not be related to that.
Doug Cook
# Doug Cook 2013-12-24 05:53
Re: Combustion
I actually saw this in a Book I session once. Not nearly to this extent. It was more like a really charged static electricity flash you'd get from rubbing your feet on the carpet and touching the edge of a file cabinet. My PC was in reverie with her eyes closed and off to my left (her right) and slightly above her sight line was a bright white flash. I thought I was seeing things until my PC says, "That's funny, I just saw a white flash right about here", and pointed to the position in space. I could hardly keep my TRs in. That was pretty cool.

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